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2023–4 Season |
Week 2 |
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Four of the six games were won by the teams that went second in the Specialists. The spreadsheet did suggest a slight bias towards those teams, but the margin of victory was quite significant in each case so (according to the spreadsheet) no results are likely to have been affected.
The closest game was the Bate Hallers' victory over the Park Timers by 121 points to 102. The biggest margin was notched up by the Waters Green Nags, who scored 149 to the Pack Horse Bowling Club's 101, while the other four games were all decided by margins of between 23 and 27.
With four teams having played two games and four having played one, in each League, there are two teams in each League that have played two and won two: Queens of the Castle and the Dolphin, in the A League, and Waters Green Nags and the Chester Road Tavern in the B League.
Top scorer this week was Mark Watson with 54. Next best was Alice Walker with 51, and with Mark having only played one game, Alice retains top spot in the A League Individual table. There is no change either in the next three places, as Haydn Thompson, Alan Hodgson and Peter McBride all scored 42. Best of the rest was Rob Parkin, whose 39 saw him pull away from the three others that scored 48 last week and into fifth place.
39 was the best score in the B League, by Paul Prior and Anne Jeater. This was the first game of the season for Anne's team (Bate Hallers), but Paul's 39 puts him level with Tony Moores on a total of 81 points in the first two games. Tony holds on to first place in the table by virtue of his 51 last week, which is the best score of the season so far in the B League. (The Park Taverners, for whom Heather Wallace also scored 51 last week, didn't play this time.)
The Sutton Club's questions were well received, both sets scoring exactly 6.50 for Entertainment, and there was consistent marking across both Leagues. The marks for Difficulty and Balance were just as good, and we can expect to see two decent placings come the end of the season.
A few minor niggles have been mentioned on the Forum: one wrong answer (Independent Savings Account), one ambiguous question (one dart or three?), a collective noun for which there are at least five possible answers, and one player (in each game) getting two tricky football questions, in consecutive rounds, in the General Knowledge. (We all know how the last one will have happened, and we've probably all done it at one time or another, but this is the sort of thing that should be picked up in vetting.)
Note: in this section, the teams that went "first first" (first in the Specialist questions) are on the left.
Waters Green Weavers | Spec | GK | Total | Dolphin | Spec | GK | Total |
Janet Lawton | 3 | 3 | 6 | Derek Owen | 9 | 18 | 27 |
Maddy Griffiths | 12 | 12 | 24 | Peter McBride | 21 | 21 | 42 |
Alan Gilday | 6 | 18 | 24 | John Brown | 12 | 15 | 27 |
Ian Grieve | 15 | 18 | 33 | Alan Hodgson | 15 | 27 | 42 |
Conferred | 14 | 20 | 34 | Conferred | 5 | 9 | 14 |
Passed over | 6 | 11 | 17 | Passed over | 5 | 7 | 12 |
Totals | 56 | 82 | 138 | Totals | 67 | 97 | 164 |
Dolphin Hammers | Spec | GK | Total | Nags Head 'B' | Spec | GK | Total |
Liz Horrocks | 6 | 27 | 33 | Mark Shaw | 18 | 9 | 27 |
Pete Sayers | 15 | 9 | 24 | Mark Watson | 33 | 21 | 54 |
Keith Doffield | 3 | 15 | 18 | Laurence Plant | 21 | 6 | 27 |
David Barber | 18 | 18 | 36 | Paul Morrissey | 15 | 12 | 27 |
Conferred | 15 | 15 | 30 | Conferred | 14 | 12 | 26 |
Passed over | 3 | 4 | 7 | Passed over | 7 | 3 | 10 |
Totals | 60 | 88 | 148 | Totals | 108 | 63 | 171 |
Queens of the Castle | Spec | GK | Total | Harrington Academicals | Spec | GK | Total |
Alice Walker | 18 | 33 | 51 | Dave Partington | 12 | 24 | 36 |
Haydn Thompson | 18 | 24 | 42 | Alan James | 18 | 15 | 33 |
Stuart Orford | 15 | 21 | 36 | Steve Dale | 6 | 12 | 18 |
Tim Massey | 12 | 9 | 21 | Rob Parkin | 18 | 21 | 39 |
Conferred | 5 | 11 | 16 | Conferred | 8 | 13 | 21 |
Passed over | 2 | 10 | 12 | Passed over | 2 | 4 | 6 |
Totals | 70 | 108 | 178 | Totals | 64 | 89 | 153 |
Note: in this section, the teams that went "first first" (first in the Specialist questions) are on the left.
Park Timers | Spec | GK | Total | Bate Hallers | Spec | GK | Total |
John Poyser | 9 | 15 | 24 | Grenville Leah | 6 | 6 | 12 |
Andrew Fenton | 12 | 9 | 21 | Gill Dawson | 6 | 12 | 18 |
Tim Brewin | 0 | 15 | 15 | Anne Jeater | 12 | 27 | 39 |
Jenni Brewin | 3 | 3 | 6 | Pat Jeater | 6 | 0 | 6 |
Conferred | 8 | 5 | 13 | Conferred | 7 | 15 | 22 |
Passed over | 11 | 12 | 23 | Passed over | 8 | 16 | 24 |
Totals | 43 | 59 | 102 | Totals | 45 | 76 | 121 |
Waters Green Nags | Spec | GK | Total | Pack Horse Bowling Club | Spec | GK | Total |
Bob Langstaff | 6 | 21 | 27 | Reg Bloor | 9 | 12 | 21 |
Sunil Peck | 12 | 3 | 15 | Mike Vickerstaff | 6 | 0 | 6 |
Ian Musgrave | 12 | 12 | 24 | Andrew Vickerstaff | 9 | 3 | 12 |
Paul Prior | 15 | 24 | 39 | Tim Bloor | 15 | 9 | 24 |
Conferred | 9 | 15 | 24 | Conferred | 7 | 19 | 26 |
Passed over | 9 | 11 | 20 | Passed over | 4 | 8 | 12 |
Totals | 63 | 86 | 149 | Totals | 50 | 51 | 101 |
Sutton Mutton | Spec | GK | Total | Chester Road Tavern | Spec | GK | Total |
Mike Proctor | 12 | 24 | 36 | Tony Moores | 12 | 18 | 30 |
Wynne Keith-Davies | 9 | 6 | 15 | Chris Moores | 3 | 9 | 12 |
Mick Graves | 3 | 9 | 12 | Jim Moores | 18 | 15 | 33 |
John Stein | 9 | 0 | 9 | Bill Moores | 12 | 18 | 30 |
Conferred | 10 | 16 | 26 | Conferred | 8 | 12 | 20 |
Passed over | 3 | 11 | 14 | Passed over | 4 | 10 | 14 |
Totals | 46 | 66 | 112 | Totals | 57 | 82 | 139 |
Note: in this section, the home teams are on the left and the away teams are on the right.
Dolphin | 164 | 138 | Waters Green Weavers |
Peter McBride Alan Hodgson |
42 42 |
33 | Ian Grieve |
Nags Head 'B' | 171 | 148 | Dolphin Hammers |
Mark Watson | 54 | 36 | Dave Barber |
Harrington Academicals | 153 | 178 | Queens of the Castle |
Rob Parkin | 39 | 51 | Alice Walker |
Played | Won | Drawn | Lost | Total | Points | |
Queens of the Castle | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 400 | 4 |
Dolphin | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 350 | 4 |
Nags Head | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 188 | 2 |
Nags Head 'B' | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 171 | 2 |
Harrington Academicals | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 336 | 0 |
Waters Green Weavers | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 324 | 0 |
Poachers | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 171 | 0 |
Dolphin Hammers | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 148 | 0 |
Team | Played | Total | Highest | Lowest | Week 2 | |
Alice Walker | Queens of the Castle | 2 | 111 | 60 | 51 | 51 |
Haydn Thompson | Queens of the Castle | 2 | 99 | 57 | 42 | 42 |
Alan Hodgson | Dolphin | 2 | 93 | 51 | 42 | 42 |
Peter McBride | Dolphin | 2 | 93 | 51 | 42 | 42 |
Rob Parkin | Harrington Academicals | 2 | 87 | 48 | 39 | 39 |
Ian Grieve | Waters Green Weavers | 2 | 81 | 48 | 33 | 33 |
Dave Partington | Harrington Academicals | 2 | 81 | 45 | 36 | 36 |
Tim Massey | Queens of the Castle | 2 | 69 | 48 | 21 | 21 |
Alan Gilday | Waters Green Weavers | 2 | 69 | 45 | 24 | 24 |
Alan James | Harrington Academicals | 2 | 69 | 36 | 33 | 33 |
Note: in this section, the home teams are on the left and the away teams are on the right.
Waters Green Nags | 149 | 101 | Pack Horse Bowling Club |
Paul Prior | 39 | 24 | Tim Bloor |
Bate Hallers | 121 | 102 | Park Timers |
Anne Jeater | 39 | 24 | John Poyser |
Sutton Mutton | 112 | 139 | Chester Road Tavern |
Mike Proctor | 36 | 33 | Jim Moores |
Played | Won | Drawn | Lost | Total | Points | |
Waters Green Nags | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 331 | 4 |
Chester Road Tavern | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 306 | 4 |
Park Taverners | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 176 | 2 |
Bate Hallers | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 121 | 2 |
Sutton Mutton | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 259 | 0 |
Park Timers | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 249 | 0 |
Sutton Club | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 153 | 0 |
Pack Horse Bowling Club | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 101 | 0 |
Team | Played | Total | Highest | Lowest | Week 2 | |
Tony Moores | Chester Road Tavern | 2 | 81 | 51 | 30 | 30 |
Paul Prior | Waters Green Nags | 2 | 81 | 42 | 39 | 39 |
Ian Musgrave | Waters Green Nags | 2 | 72 | 48 | 24 | 24 |
Bob Langstaff | Waters Green Nags | 2 | 63 | 36 | 27 | 27 |
Andrew Fenton | Park Timers | 2 | 57 | 36 | 21 | 21 |
John Poyser | Park Timers | 2 | 57 | 33 | 24 | 24 |
Heather Wallace | Park Taverners | 1 | 51 | 51 | 51 | |
Mick Graves | Sutton Mutton | 2 | 51 | 39 | 12 | 12 |
Wynne Keith-Davies | Sutton Mutton | 2 | 51 | 36 | 15 | 15 |
Tim Brewin | Park Timers | 2 | 48 | 33 | 15 | 15 |
Week | Setters | Difficulty | Balance | Ent | Total | Last Yr | ||
1 | 1 | GK | Nags Head 'B' | 10.00 | 9.57 | 7.16 | 26.64 | 21.64 |
2 | 1 | Spec | Nags Head 'B' | 9.05 | 0.00 | 7.25 | 16.30 | 19.80 |
3 | 2 | Spec | Sutton Club | 5.30 | 8.66 | 6.50 | 20.62 | 21.98 |
4 | 2 | GK | Sutton Club | 3.74 | 7.51 | 6.50 | 17.83 | 20.28 |
Last week was always going to be a difficult act to follow, but the Sutton Club's questions scored well all round. In last season's table, the Specialists would have been 10th (out of 36) and the General Knowledge 20th.
Both sets scored exactly 6.50 for Entertainment, which would have put them in 13th place last season, and the scores were also quite consistent across both Leagues. According to the spreadsheet, both sets were of pretty much average difficulty – teams scoring on average 97% of their average scores in the Specialists and 98% in the General Knowledge.
The spreadsheet did suggest a slight bias in both sets of questions, towards the sides that went second in the Specialists. The extent of the apparent bias was pretty much the same in both halves, and overall the teams that went "second first" scored exactly 100% of their average scores, while those that went first scored 95%. On an average match score of 140 this may have made a difference of about seven points – and the margin was quite a bit bigger than this in all six games, so no results are likely to have been affected.
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